What you are suggesting is that unions have no recourse because consumers can and will support more

American Airlines has been forced to cancel 300 flights this week as pilots, upset over a discouraging deal with their union (including pay and benefits cuts), have begun calling in sick in high numbers .
I respect their right to put tools down, but not enough to let their protest europe discount airlines keep me away from a weekend home with my kids. Sorry charlie. Punishing europe discount airlines your customers to get at your boss is not without cost to you.
I think it's mostly been in the 35 years since deregulation. Deregulation has been pretty good for helping to drive prices down and increased competition, but it also led to the development of the hub-and-spoke system, drove down wages for everyone from mechanics to pilots to, well, everyone, decimated union power across the industry, and basically gave everyone europe discount airlines the shaft, passengers included (if you take into account things such as amenities, seating room, flight schedules and routing, europe discount airlines etc).
Union pilots have a pretty decent job. It's non-union pilots europe discount airlines who are paid below subsistence wages, get minimal benefits, and have zero job security. It isn't unlike union and non-union faculty at a university.
europe discount airlines Also, the reason airlines and universities are similar is that there's europe discount airlines a huge mass of people who are willing to fly an airplane (teach a college class) for almost nothing, just for the privilege of doing it. So you need a union to keep wages high. It's a dynamic that isn't present in most professions I think.
I originally overheard something about this while I was in the Pittsburgh airport (I am on vacation). Didn't hear why at the time, just that people were getting kicked off and not being provided with rooms. I am glad we're not flying with them and hope this doesn't spread to my return flight europe discount airlines before I get home.
Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but it reads like go on strike europe discount airlines and hurt management directly, instead of doing passive-aggressive sickouts that only piss off passengers without putting much of a dent in revenues
I respect their right to put tools down, but not enough to let their protest keep me away from a weekend home with my kids. Sorry charlie. Punishing your customers to get at your boss is not without cost to you.
This is actually such a textbook case of how labor action should work. There is no other tool that employees have (beyond just asking management nicely and hoping) other than to cost their employers money through lost revenue, which means denying service to customers.
Because a strike is known, predictable, and avoidable? Management europe discount airlines can't keep flights on the board that they know pilots won't show up for. This sickout stuff is impossible to predict from the perspective of the passenger.
Meh. This way costs management even more. They have to field all those irate calls, provide shelter (or take the hit on refusing to), etc. Besides, the pilots in this case can't even strike, since their are ALSO protesting their own (apparently spineless) union.
What you are suggesting is that unions have no recourse europe discount airlines because consumers can and will support more exploitative companies. You're right, but don't say things like I respect their right to put tools down because clearly you don't. You support it so long as it doesn't affect you at all. That's not really support.
The whole idea of union activity is that what is good for a particular union makes it easier for other people to get the same standards. If you want those standards for yourself, you need to stand with the unions when they're getting europe discount airlines exploited (and nobody I think disagrees that pilots get a hugely raw deal around the world) and occasionally take a personal dive for the collective...otherwise, you're right, those non-unionized, worse corporations take over.
I don't mean to call you out personally, it's just frustrating for people to pretend they're pro-union when they clearly will sell the union out to make their lives better. It's why union environments are under threat right now.
My father is sitting in Toronto after a cancelled AA flight to New York. He's likely to miss his connections and is potentially missing out on his life-long dream vacation to a Hippo sanctuary in Zimbabwe.
miyabo : Also, the reason airlines and universities are similar is that there's a huge mass of people who are willing to fly an airplane (teach a college class) for almost nothing, just for the privilege of doing it. So you need a union to keep wages high. It's a dynamic that isn't present in most professions I think
This makes me glad I swore off AA when their management decided it was a good idea to cancel an underbooked flight without even day-of notification. I have no problem assuming they'd treat their employees with just as much contempt.
What you are suggesting is that unions have no recourse because consumers can and will support more exploitative companies. You're right, but don't say things like I respect their right to put tools down because clearly you don't. You support it so long as it doesn't affect you at all. That's not really support.
This is nonsense. United's the best airline to fly out of my city and to the cities I typically travel to. If United pilots went on strike in a transparent, open way, I'd happily - without grumbling - fly one of the much-less convenient airlines.
In this case, I get to fly American and worry that a passive-aggressive sickout might ruin my plans, and if they do, I get the joyful experience of being stuck in an airport perhaps indefinitely. So no, I don't support that, because europe discount airlines the action punishes me , not the people responsible for their complaints.
I understand that the vast vast majority here come down on the side of labor in nearly all circumstances, and that's fine, but how is this a fair way of bargaining? Sick time is for when you are sick, right? The union has a right to collective bargaining, and in the absence of a satisfactory deal should have the right to strike. Faking illness and stranding passengers europe discount airlines all over the system to create leverage seems massively unfair to both the airline and the customers.
The customers are unhappy with how the company is doing business. The pilots are not in charge of the business. Customers europe discount airlines need to blame management. Preventing your employees from wanting to harm customers is part of management.
In this case, I get to fly American and worry that a passive-aggressive sickout might ruin my plans, and if they do, I get the joyful experience of being stuck in an airport perhaps indefinitely. So no, I don't support that, because the action punishes europe discount airlines me, not the people responsible for their complaints.
I feel for people whose plans are interrupted or who have long layovers, but American pilots don't have a lot of options right now. Bankruptcy court foist a deal upon them that, quite frankly, sucks. They voted against it. Now the company is going harder at their jobs, salaries, benefits, everything. They can't just walk off the job.
This is what happens when union rights europe discount airlines are regulated and/or don't exist. You end up with this subversive, destructive behaviour which, in a perfect world, would be an organized strike and settlement. europe discount airlines AA's bottom line right now I assume is being decimated, as anyone with an AA flight is likely switching it, and they're getting their point across.
europe discount airlines Also, if a group of people is desperate enough that they are willing to inconvenience a lot of people and probably risk their jobs, I'm willing europe discount airlines to help out in a tiny way by making an extra phone call to get myself europe discount airlines another flight. Hey man, sorry that you can't pay your medical bills and it'd really help you if I rode one train car from this one, but I *like* europe discount airlines this train car. Ick.
Sorry, how can I make this more clear? It doesn't matter one bit if it's a sick-out or a strike or whatever, there's europe discount airlines no way to punish europe discount airlines those responsible for the pilot's complaints (management) without disrupting passengers. I guess you could just go rob the management or set fire to corporate HQ, but I really can't imagine what you think would make management take notice but keep all the passengers happy. A strike is no more easily managed by passengers than a sick-out; most passengers buy tickets weeks and months in advance, which are often nonrefundable and have hefty fees for changing tickets, while any notice of a strike is only going to come a day or two in advance. Look a the Lufthansa strike, lots of people are just as stranded by that as they are by AA.
So, you're stuck in a hypothetical airport where there are no other airlines operating europe discount airlines any other flights to any other locations at any times? And there are no rental car agencies? And this hypothetical airport is located europe discount airlines in some hypothetical city where there are no railway connections to any other locations europe discount airlines on earth? Hm. That does sound like a sticky situation.
What would a better union do? Force federal regulations to allow them to strike? Force a bankruptcy court to overturn their own decision? They respond to, not direct, the legal environment europe discount airlines they are in. They're boxed in legally.
According europe discount airlines to the 'pedia, the Railway Labor Act , which also includes the airlines, is controlling, here. Strikes and lockouts are permitted, but only after a longish mediation and negotiation process has failed to resolve the dispute.
given that US airlines feel free to cancel your flight and/or move your connecting flight europe discount airlines to physically impossible terminals when it is convenient europe discount airlines for them, their profit, and their flight-scheduling europe discount airlines algorithm and then make you beg for help, even access to a phone (actually, they won't let you use their phone... everyone has cellphones, right?) I can't even begin to feel outrage europe discount airlines at a flight being cancelled europe discount airlines or rescheduled because pilots feel like they are being screwed.
It's more than the phone call, isn't it, though? It's also the extra cost of arranging europe discount airlines a new flight, at the last minute, which will likely cost more than your original flight, possibly by a fair bit. That's assuming that you can get another flight, which is obviously europe discount airlines not a guarantee; I imagine the